Episode: 1

Keeping Running Sacred

Claire Shorall,

Co-Founder & CEO of Topknot

During this inaugural episode, Chacho is joined by Claire Shorall, Co-Founder & CEO of Topknot. Clockwork is an extension for ERP systems that enables global shippers to have full control of proof of delivery. 


Highlights from their conversation include:

  • Claire’s introduction to running (2:30)
  • Why do we run? (4:30) 
  • How running impacts Claire’s work as a startup founder (10:41)
  • Running selfishly – not just for your work (15:28)
  • The biggest misconception people have with running (18:21)
  • Simple starts to start running (22:37)
  • Claire’s go to soundtrack for running (29:33)

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Chacho Valadez 00:08
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Claire Shorall 02:10
Thanks for having me. I’m excited to do this.

Chacho Valadez 02:12
And you’re a runner, obviously, that’s why you’re on the show. You actually ran in college as well. But I want to start with asking, How did you get started running?

Claire Shorall 02:21
Yeah, so let’s go back to middle school, 14 year olds, they’re an interesting subclass of human because some people like me are girls, and some people are young women. And so I was playing soccer at the time. And I was maybe you know, like 410 and 90 pounds. And there were people in the field who were fully grown, and just essentially pulling me over. And it was this moment where I was like, do I actually have a future in the sport? I thought it was gonna play high school soccer. My identical twin was like, No, I’m actually going to go run cross country. And I’m just too competitive to let that slide. So I said, I’m going to go run cross country too. And sort of the rest of history. I dabbled a little bit in middle school track, but it was, I was basically all soccer all the time until I made a hard switch. And once I was there running just kind of took over. That’s cool

Chacho Valadez 03:12
for and I also didn’t know you had an identical twin. who also runs that’s all

Claire Shorall 03:17
Yeah, ran,

Chacho Valadez 03:19
ran you too competitive with each other growing up with the running?

Claire Shorall 03:23
Oh, absolutely. Our first ever cross country race, we were both running JV. And we were running in a field of a couple 100 people. And somehow we found ourselves near the front, which was great. And I still remember this to this day, including the time that we ran. But we ended up finishing second and third. And it was sort of a negotiation at the end. Like as we were actually finishing the race, it was sort of like, do you want to be in front of me? Do I want to be in front of you. And I kind of let her go. She ran three seconds in front of me and finished. And I think that was the last time that I ever

Chacho Valadez 03:58
allow that to happen. And is her side of the story that she actually did beat you. But you say that you did it because I’m sure that’s what my siblings would say,

Claire Shorall 04:08
for me. But I think Ali is an interesting, she’s like the most mentally strong runner that I know. And I wish I had a little bit more of that because I think I took to the sport more naturally. But the mental component is such a huge deal. And I always have looked up to her for just being just totally capable of bearing a ton of cool. Why do you run? I think it is cliche to say that it’s an outlet or it’s or it’s me time but that’s actually how it functions. I was always a team sport and team runner. And then after college, I kind of had this notion when I started teaching that I would actually coach track and be totally immersed in it. And there was this this moment that clicked for me where I was like okay, actually running is kind of the only point in the day that is just about me. Just about my thoughts and just about making myself better. And so since then I’ve been a little bit more selfish about running, like a meditation practice where I’m like sitting or trying to clear my mind has never actually worked for me. I need to I need to release in movement. It’s kind of a daily reminder of being alive. I actually don’t really like David, I go through without feeling some level of pain self imposed. Right? There’s yeah, there’s just something about it that that kind of is a reminder of humanity.

Chacho Valadez 05:28
Yeah. Has why you Ron changed over the years, especially since you’ve been running since such for such a young age?

Claire Shorall 05:36
Yes. And no, I would say there’s a paradigm of some people are trainers. And some people are racers. And I definitely was always a racer. Like, I love to get into an event and prove to myself what I can do and prove to others where what my training has been like, I’m still to this day, I need to be signed up for a race in order for me to be consistent about running because it while it is meditative, and it’s a release, and it’s all these things. It is fundamentally a test of performance. And I like having those check ins. But I take myself way less seriously. That’s good.

Chacho Valadez 06:11
And what was your experience like running as a college athlete?

Claire Shorall 06:14
So running in college, I think was the most primitive period of my life, or how I understand myself to be now. So okay, I ran at Rice from 2005 to 2010. And that was a period where the team was excellent, not because of me. And so people from that squad went on to run at the Olympics and run on USA teams and be professional. So yeah, I’m coming in from high school, sunlight, big fish in a small pond, and I arrived at Rice. And while I can contribute team wise, I’m, it’s the first time that I was ever around athletes who are just spectacularly more talented. And so being up close to that was formative in the sense that I got to see what excellence looks like, at the same time. So now, everybody does College on Zoom, or at least like most lectures are recorded back in 2005 2000 isn’t actually the case. And so I was running track, we were flying out most Fridays, sometimes we had these, like three to five day meets, I was missing a lot of school. And so ironically, I would say running also got me to just like, sort of chill out and put things in perspective, like, while I’m watching these really great people and understanding what excellence looks like, I’m also realizing that like, I actually can’t school if I’m only going to 80% of it. And so it was this moment where I got to step back and sort of figure out what was important to me. Yeah, and then you so many leadership lessons like, I definitely believe that you can lead from behind us as a result, you know, I was very cross country, you score five people and seven people typically run and I was basically always six or seven. In a cross country race, I’ve scored very few times my total conference points. I think over the five years, we’re like five, I mean, this is I’m not going to try to put out there that I was like the biggest contributor per se in the in the ways that we typically look at contribution. But my five years there I was the glue that helped keep the team together and sort of the heartbeat of the org. And yeah, and so seeing contributions that aren’t obvious was was like a really important lesson for me to get at age 1920. And I actually ended up staying five years, and essentially spirit living the life of more, more or less a pro athlete because I would wake up, I would go for a ride, I’d go do some rehab, I’d hang out with my coach, I had like one credit hour, I really wasn’t doing school. And that was such an important transition year for me as far as sort of understanding what input input versus outcome look like. Right, and just what my limits were what it looks like to doggedly pursue a goal, which for me like that, that’s what entrepreneurship is.

Chacho Valadez 09:11
What’s one of the lesson that you learned as a college athlete that still affects you today?

Claire Shorall 09:16
Yeah, I think something around this notion of where you put your energy is where you’re gonna see results and that you can’t do it all. And so you have to you have to make decision. Priorities, right, and then stick with them. You’ll either spread yourself too thin and burn out, or you’re not gonna see that you’re proud of across like any of the dimensions. Yeah, I think of all the lessons that I mean, myriad lessons that come up for me running a sort of an ultimate metaphor for life. So just have the best friends from it. Yeah. So just having those friends in my life is sort of equally great.

Chacho Valadez 09:56
Yeah. Yeah. I was on a run yesterday and I was sitting Thinking about something. I’m like, oh wait, this would apply in startups as well. But was it too cliche to be like, hey, my, my exercise routine is like, this is how it applies to business and startups. But it’s so true. Like, I think that’s part of the reason why I want to, like, wanted to start this podcast is because there’s so many parallels. And I think that that’s really important to tease those out.

Claire Shorall 10:28
Yeah, and I think the overuse like life isn’t a sprint. It’s a marathon. But I’m like, Yeah, but are we on? Are we refueled? Where are we in that marathon? Like, let’s break down that metaphor even further?

Chacho Valadez 10:40
Right, exactly. Yeah, that’s a good point. How does running affect your work? Does? We’re now talking about work a little bit.

Claire Shorall 10:47
Yeah, so I am currently training for a marathon, which, like I said, I need to have a race on the calendar in order to stay focused, but in an effort to not have it overtake my work, per our priorities conversation. I had to do this running program that only has three days of running per week. Right? Yeah, I know. I’m a little nervous about it. So So I’m currently running on Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday, Tuesday is just sort of like a standard easy run, Thursday’s a bit more of a workout. And then I say Sunday, but Saturday is my long run. And then I am biking two days a week. So Wednesday and Sunday. And then Monday and Friday are totally off. And what’s been interesting thus far is that as far as time it’s felt like it’s taken very little away from work, which feels interesting. And I’m finding myself working better on Tuesdays and Thursdays because I’ve gotten up, I’ve been outside, I’ve had time to think it’s time to listen to podcasts that helped me help one thing. But mostly, it’s time that I can sort of separate my feelings. And I don’t know, I’ve made this joke with my co founder, like 1000 times, but I’m, I’m always questioning why I’ve been running essentially every day since I’m 14. And every morning that I go for a run before work. And I’m like, Oh, that was so useful. Or my, my head is so clear now or I feel so much better, why I just don’t realize and recognize that every single day. It sort of automatically, but it definitely affects my work for them. And by holding myself to this program, that gives me much more flexibility throughout the week. It is not negatively impacting the work by by taking me away from it. Sometimes, you know, when I was teaching, I would have to wake up at 5am to train for a marathon. I’d be running for an hour and a half or something before school, and then I’d get to school and be candidly pretty sleepy. And I think that just not at that point in my life right now where I want that to happen.

Chacho Valadez 12:58
Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, I guess what, what’s the most difficult part of balancing the running routine and being a founder,

Claire Shorall 13:06
sticking to the plan, right? Because I made a decision that upfront that weighed the, the needs of our business with my needs in order to complete this race that I want it to complete. And I’m feeling tension within myself, where I’m not doing enough, right? Or this isn’t going to be sufficiently preparatory. And I can’t succumb to those feelings. Or else I think I’m going to be dissatisfied across like a couple different dimensions. So yeah, it sort of feels like putting together my own little like life OKRs. And then trusting that, like, three days a week is like actually the key result that I’m chasing after? Um, but yeah, there are there have already been moments in this training cycle where I’m questioning whether or not or not I’m doing enough, and I’m really, I’m just trying to stick to stick to a plan. Yeah,

Chacho Valadez 14:05
I’ve been there for sure. Would you consider running as part of your job?

Claire Shorall 14:11
Oh, that’s interesting. No. And I think that that’s what I what makes it sacred. I think we sometimes try to put too much weight on things that are career or like blur the line too much between career and life. And there are some places where that’s unavoidable. And there’s some places where that’s helpful. But no running is back to my point about being a little bit selfish about it. It’s for me,

Chacho Valadez 14:37
that’s great. I love that. Yeah, I’ve sort of justified going on runs or longer runs during the week because I’m like, Well, it’s kind of part of my job because it makes me better. It gives me clarity, I come up with ideas and that type of thing. But you do make a good point in terms of not everything has to be pointed back at work. Especially something as like Sacred as running, and it is sacred, in my opinion as well.

Claire Shorall 15:05
Right? I also find it easier to say that I’m going to bed at a reasonable hour. Who am I kidding? I go to bed like I want that to be tied to performance and health and doing things for me and not necessarily outcomes for the business, because one is going to be around much longer.

Chacho Valadez 15:26
That’s a good point. Yeah, I think you should probably feel good about doing this three day a week training just because you’ve been running for so long that you probably have that really strong base that helps

Claire Shorall 15:41
i to is it the Malcolm Gladwell 10,000 hours, like there, there is something to just having put in the lifetime, everything from being a little kid on a playground all the way to today. And I will say there’s something subconscious about knowing that you put in the work, I think for anything, right, like there’s a confidence that comes a quiet confidence that comes from knowing that you you put in a full effort, and I am conscious that, that I’ve might get the line and margin and have this crisis of confidence where I know that I didn’t actually do all the work that I know. So I’m hoping that my subconscious has really gone in on the thing that you’re talking about where it’s like, it’s a lifetime accumulation. We’ve done the work, it’ll be fine. Yeah, I think being nervous about it now is probably counteractive. to No, that’s

Chacho Valadez 16:39
okay. You’ll do great. And you’ve actually invited me to come as well, which we’ll see. Yeah. And what would you say is the thing that people misunderstand the most about running,

Claire Shorall 16:53
there’s some notion that it’s either punishment, like all these high school cross country teams have shorts that say My sport is your sports punishment, or that it’s like a means to an end. I think it’s its own beautiful dance on its own. And then I when people are first starting, because I actually take a great deal of interesting care and people who are starting running for the first time, or maybe don’t feel like a classical runner, however you want to interpret. I love helping people get started. And I think some people think it always has to be this brutal SLOG and a struggle. It’s like no, like, I walk, I totally walk like i There are days where I run, super, super, super, super easy. And even if my legs feel great, like the whole purpose of the run is just to concentrate on making things as like, weightless and easy as possible. So yeah, if it if it feels like a punishment every day, I think you’re doing it wrong. I actually consciously think about smiling, which was my least favorite part about running in a mask, because I will smile at every single person I pass. And I was doing it under my mask and realizing that it was sort of futile at first and then I was like, oh, actually wait, this is for me to like this moment of beaming at other people is actually a moment where I’m reminding myself of the great gift of movement. And I don’t take for granted that that this is that everybody can can’t get out and run. I have close family members who are incapable of walking. And so I just want to sit with the privilege that is like motion and seeing the world moving on your two feet. But yeah, I the misunderstanding, I think is is that it’s supposed to be hard. It’s not. It’s supposed to be joyful.

Chacho Valadez 18:57
Yeah, absolutely. There’s a great book called 8020 running that talks about running 80. Right. Yeah, it’s like running for time. And also running 80% of your runs at a conversational pace, where you can actually have a conversation with someone and how that actually over time makes you a faster runner. Where, whereas like the common, like ideas that you need to do all these sprints or your do tempo runs, or whatever it might be in order to get faster. And while those might help. Like in the long term, it’s actually running slow over long periods of time that actually help you get faster.

Claire Shorall 19:40
Yeah, and we were talking about college earlier. We used to do this hill run. So I went to school in Houston, there are no hills, literal mound, like an actual manmade mound on an amphitheater that was in a park very close to Rice campus. And we used to run up and over it on Monday for are an hour or 75 minutes, like literally just up and down this. Which coming from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania was like, the funniest thing to me because there was nothing but hills where I was. But anyway, um, and we would just talk the whole time, right? Just connected, we would all tell each other Monday morning via text message, like come with a story, except, and people used to find this funny, right? We would tell people, most of our runs, we actually just spend connecting and talking my best friends, because these are the people who I spend the most time just talking to her. How can you do that while you’re running. And I back to the being easy, like everyone can actually run or walk at a conversational pace. Like, you just need to slow yourself down enough or you need to take enough walking breaks. But it’s so much more fun when you somebody is so much more fun. You have such different ideas when your legs are moving.

Chacho Valadez 20:58
Right? You really do. Yeah, this apart this podcast came via a run this podcast idea I should say. So someone starts like someone has never run before. And you like Where should they start with trying to start running or walking?

Claire Shorall 21:20
Yeah, I think get fitted for good. There’s so many people I know who are running on just what they have. And it makes a world of difference. So that would be that would be step one. And then I actually really like plan. And here’s the reason why. Once I vet plans, and I made that decision, and my like only thing that I need to do now is follow it. As opposed to it’s Monday I could run I could not know Monday says it’s resting. And so I’m going to do. I’m like there’s potentially like a era of inflexibility here. But for me, it’s actually just so much easier to be told what to do on paper, and then not have to overthink it. Because I think every single if you’re negotiating this decision every single day, every single day, it’s going to be a decision point. And it’s just going to feel harder than it needs to, I will actually say I really love the Nike Running Club training plans, I think that they’re great. And they’re really beginner friendly. And they come with these guided, like real product placement here. And they come with these guided audio runs. And there’s a coach talking to you, I find that so useful, particularly when you’re getting started. And they’re fun. And you can put music on in the background or you cannot then the person just like comes into your ear and says, You’re five minutes in, let’s like, do a system check or think about your breathing. That sort of stuff is so helpful. In the beginning, it’s so helpful to just hear somebody reinforce that you’re doing exactly what you need to do in that moment. And that you don’t have to overthink what the end goal looks like. It’s you’re here on the present. Let’s talk to you about making sure that you’re you’re doing things the way you should in this moment, and nothing else. So yeah, get get good shoes and have somebody else tell you what to do. And you can sort of put decision making on autopilot.

Chacho Valadez 23:30
Yeah, and I think it’s running warehouse has a lot of great information on shoes and great reviews if someone’s looking for shoes. Because I know that’s a whole nother topic as well are running shoes and what, what, what to buy and all that stuff. What conversation do you have with yourself when you don’t feel like running?

Claire Shorall 23:49
I think the conversation always has like a warm, a warm, demander feeling if you can do it, and it makes sense. Like, let’s not have excuses. And if it’s really not going to happen today, like literally no point because this is supposed to be about joy and progress. And I’m not always gentle with myself last week, I was supposed to do a four mile pace run that just totally fell apart. And I, you know, came back and I felt like such a failure and how could I possibly do 26 miles at this pace I can’t even hold for right now. And it was actually Brooke, my co founder who who talked me out of it and was like what is the friend for you right now and like, allowed me that voice so it’s not always easy. Like I’m not I’m not trying to claim that this isn’t a constant conversation and a constant negotiation with yourself in order to be the kind of person that you need to be. But But yeah, I I think turning that discussion into something where you don’t have to make too many choices. You just have to look at what what is prescribed for you. And then and whether or not today is actually the day, right like you have it within you that that seems to be the the easiest conversation for me to have, particularly on days when I don’t feel like it. We’re also heading into the winter and I am not a cold weather runner. I lost all of that in Texas. And so, you know, during the summer, I have far fewer citations. And I’m I’m not quite yet the person that there’s no such thing as bad weather, just bad clothes. Like I’m not I’m not really there yet, because I think that there is bad weather. But But yeah, just sort of fortifying yourself against the things that you know that you don’t like, like, yeah, don’t like cold weather running, but we’re gonna do it.

Chacho Valadez 25:44
I know, I’m in Michigan, and yesterday, it was like 30 something degrees, but it was like a warm 30. So it wasn’t that bad. But still, some gloves held for sure.

Claire Shorall 25:53
Like the negative five? Oh, no, no, no, no.

Chacho Valadez 25:57
Treadmill day maybe? Yeah. Yeah, that’s something I struggle with. When I’m doing plans. To me, it actually causes more stress in the sense of like, I feel like if I don’t do the run, then I’m failing. And failing to plan and failing myself. And my wife is always like, No, you don’t need to be so regimented with the plan. Like it’s just there as a baseline. You’re doing most of the runs, if you miss a miss a runner to like, it’s gonna be okay. But you still have that mental battle of like, no, like, I missed a five mile run, and then that’s gonna be five miles less than I ran this month. And I need to try to make it up somewhere else and whatnot. And so I appreciate you saying just like being kind to yourself, because it can be really difficult.

Claire Shorall 26:47
Yeah, have a short memory.

Chacho Valadez 26:49
There we go. Yeah, I

Claire Shorall 26:50
never tried to make up things that I miss. So this is my current plan, I realized that this is a podcast, so other people can’t see it. But I have missed three days in eight weeks. And I have them circled. But none of them were made up and it’s fine. I’m exactly where I need to be. Because on those days, nothing productive was going to happen.

Chacho Valadez 27:08
Right? It’s like life happens. And that needs to be okay. And I think too, we don’t under, like, I know, I understand. I underestimate the amount of stress, like how much stress affects your running, and how it negatively affects it a lot. And so going back to your point on having it be a joyful experience that is so so important.

Yeah, yeah. You know, I’ll have to stress now.

Chacho Valadez 27:36
Speaking of joyful, if you had to listen to one song on repeat, let’s say for an hour run, what would it be? It’s a one song. You can’t No, no, you can’t be two songs.

Claire Shorall 27:49
And this would not be a joyful experience for me. Okay. Let’s see, I Okay, I know that you said it can’t be two songs, but I’m gonna I’m gonna select this and say, if it was a run, I would want something melodic and sort of repetitive, easy listening. Maybe like, by Stevie Wonder. Just actually, and and I like that answer, because that sounds like long and so I wouldn’t have to hear that. Right, right. Yeah, just definitely something that’s like low key chillin in the back. I had to race for an hour and I only had one song, for sure. It would be Deborah Cox’s, nobody’s supposed to be here dance remix, because honestly, anything on dragons five, just I rock it out like a cannon. Yeah, but let’s, let’s say that repetitive stuff is not that’s not my go to.

Chacho Valadez 28:52
Besides running. Yeah.

Claire Shorall 28:55
Yeah, I actually mostly listen to podcasts. Because when I’m running to music, I find it much harder for me to be conscious of the effort I’m giving and the pace and I sort of like to save it for for harder efforts where like, I’m just going, oh, yeah, music is not actually what I listened to most it’s it’s mostly either just the world out there as it is, or were some just really boring podcasts and not content wise. Not boring, but like, there’s no music to it. Sure, right. Yeah, I

Chacho Valadez 29:32
save run. I save music primarily for days where I have a lot on my mind, maybe, and I can’t actually like listen to content, or and usually it’s like an album that I’ve listened to plenty of times where if it’s going on in the background, I’m not even consciously aware of it. And then or like on Fartlek runs or tempo rounds or something. And then one of my Hacks is actually on long runs to listen to The Harry Potter and the audio book.

Claire Shorall 30:02
Oh my god. Wait. I just That’s so funny. I just finished on my long runs my last few long runs. It’s so

Chacho Valadez 30:10
funny. Really? That’s awesome. Yes,

Claire Shorall 30:13
I literally just had this idea. Wait, are we the same person? Maybe. I honestly hadn’t listened or thought about Harry Potter in the longest. And I needed the person who I normally do my long runs with was out this weekend. And it’s like, what am I gonna listen to for two hours. And so I downloaded the first Harry Potter book, and it was an excellent thing to run to.

Chacho Valadez 30:41
I was so good.

Claire Shorall 30:43
I honestly thought that this was a hack that I just thought of. I’m talking about this weekend, like I haven’t I haven’t thought about Harry Potter in forever. Oh, this is weird.

Chacho Valadez 30:54
Wow. Well, hey, this is meant to be yes. I started listening to the Harry Potter audio books on long runs a few years ago. And I’ve made it through the all the all, is it seven books? I was Yeah. So yeah, I was out there for like, two or three hours or longer sometimes. And so. But yeah, I finished the last book this year, which was awesome. And I tell I would come back from a long run. And I would tell my wife like I just got back from Hogwarts, because that’s what it felt like.

Claire Shorall 31:23
Yeah, I wow. That’s so funny, because I honestly just had this idea this weekend. And just I finished one. Wow. Yeah. You gotta

Chacho Valadez 31:35
make Chacho. Yes. That’s your sign, you got to make it through all of them during your training. I

Claire Shorall 31:43
wonder if my typical long run buddy is excited for me to be running next to her wall, in the Great Hall are taking transfiguration.

Chacho Valadez 31:53
Right, yes. Yeah. And I think I have had friends asked me, Well, how do you listen to audiobooks when you’re running? And it kind of goes back to it being easy runs and not being like, super strenuous?

Claire Shorall 32:07
Right. Right, right. No, it’s just about keeping your legs moving, growing some capillaries getting better at metabolize it, like, yeah, your body’s just just becoming a better machine than it was the day before.

Chacho Valadez 32:22
Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. And hopefully, you’re listening to this podcast on a run, or a walk, or bike or swimming. I don’t know what any cross training to we’re really big on that. And so second, the last question here. What is your favorite thing about yourself? And why?

Claire Shorall 32:44
I love that question. I think that there has been a credit throughout my life, whether it be as a teammate, as a teacher, now as a CEO, but I think I have a gift to bring out the best in others. And I get feedback that people who are in my presence feel better about themselves. But I also think that I have a capacity to help people understand where they shine. I like that. Typically, when people are around me, they feel great. Not because I’m great, but because they’re great.

Chacho Valadez 33:27
I hope you are great, too. Yes. Yes.

Claire Shorall 33:31
I appreciate you. I

Chacho Valadez 33:32
can’t confirm. Yeah, every time we’re chatting, I’m like, Oh, I’ve walked away feeling so refreshed. It’s awesome.

Claire Shorall 33:40
Oh, I appreciate so.

Chacho Valadez 33:43
Absolutely. Yeah. And thanks for thanks for sharing. So where can people find you and follow you along your marathon journey? I know. And also as you building top that

Claire Shorall 33:55
same place, really. So C K. l Sherelle. Which is Sh o r a l l marathon content. There are definitely some work content, lots of pet pictures. So you know, love the pet stock kind of work, stay for waffles and rally. My golden retriever and my black pandemic cat. And yeah, I also dabble sometimes on LinkedIn so much. But Twitter is Twitter is really where I’m most unfiltered and fun. So come join me there. Yes. Top knots accounts. Top knots accounts are all at top knot app. And there’s lots of exciting stuff happening there. So come join us as well.

Chacho Valadez 34:40
Awesome. Well, thanks, Claire for an excellent first episode. I know we’ll have you back again in the future. And we’ll talk about how that marathon went. And we’re doing together right yes. Yeah, admittedly, I was like I’m like Oakland that’s in the West Coast. Am I the East Coast? No, I think I’m I’m I am considering it. It just depends on my, just how I took a little bit of a break like a month off because I had like this really bad runners got after a long a 22 mile long run. And I stopped training for an ultra. And so kind of picking the pieces back together there. And so I think I could probably do it. It’s just doing it. Is it too soon is my question. But 22 miles, it’s practically a marathon already.

Claire Shorall 35:39
Oh, for sure. I definitely never trained with any run that long. So unto me, but I have I picked Oakland. And I would like to do Pittsburgh and Houston in the next couple years because those are the three cities that have my heart. I just think it’s such a cool way to get to know a place differently than then you know it otherwise.

Chacho Valadez 36:02
So, yeah, yeah, I’m looking at Chicago. Their application deadline is like next week or something so yet it? Yes. Cool. Well, thanks so much, Claire. Yay. Hi. Thanks for listening. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review and let us know what you liked. To follow along with future episodes, be sure to subscribe to the podcast platform of your choice, or head over to running in public.co for the latest updates. Catch you on the flippety flip